>>>MR. MANAGER.>>MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,
IT’S GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING. WHAT WE HAVE FOR AN AGENDA
TONIGHT IS REALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE COUNCIL RETREAT. AS YOU WILL RECALL THREE
PRIORITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN SEPTEMBER WERE HOUSING,
EDUCATION, AND SAFETY. AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST
60 DAYS, WE’VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATION, AND
TONIGHT IS A FOLLOW-UP IN TERMS OF HOUSING. WE WOULD HOPE THAT NEXT WEEK, WE
COULD HAVE A TOUCH OF THE OTHER THREE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED
AT THE RETREAT AND THAT’S INFRASTRUCTURE, TECHNOLOGY, AND
RESILIENCE, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THOSE THINGS GOING THROUGHOUT
THE COURSE OF THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WITH THAT SAID, MAYOR,
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT, TWO
DISCUSSIONS. ONE IS AN UPDATE FOR THE HOUSING
STUDY WHICH WE HAVE SUSAN PERRY AS WELL AS OUR GUEST FROM HR&A,
AND WE ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE ON PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES, A
DISCUSSION THAT THE COUNCIL HAD BACK IN THE RETREAT OF SEPTEMBER
2015, SO WE HAVE GOOD NEWS THERE ALSO. THEN THERE ARE TWO CLOSED
SESSION ITEMS, BUT MY HOPE, MAYOR, IS THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR
GUESTS GO FIRST PRIOR TO GOING INTO THE COUNCIL INTERESTS.>>ALL RIGHT.>>SO WITH THAT SAID, I’LL TURN
IT OVER TO SUE.>>GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS
OF COUNCIL. REALLY GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU
TODAY. I’M PLEASED TO BE JOINED ABOUT
STAND WALL, PRINCIPAL — OR EXCUSE ME, PARTNER AT HR&A
ADVISORS, AND PHILLIP KASH, PRINCIPAL AT HR&A ADVISORS, BOTH
WITH THE WASHINGTON, D.C., OFFICE. THEY BRING A WEALTH OF
EXPERIENCE IN BOTH PUBLIC-PRIVATE REAL ESTATE
DESIGN AND PROGRAMS AND IMPLEMENTING REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO TODAY, AGAIN, AT THE COUNCIL
RETREAT, YOU HEARD FROM PHILLIP AND HR&A ADVISORS THE BEGINNING
PART OF OUR HOUSING STUDY WHICH WAS THE MARKET ANALYSIS AND
NEEDS ASSESSMENT. TODAY WE ARE REALLY GOING TO
INTRODUCE THE TOOLS AND PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY HAS AT ITS
DISPOSAL AND BEGIN DISCUSSING A STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK OR STRATEGY
THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AS A CITY TO ADDRESS
NORFOLK’S AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS. THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST A
DISCUSSION AND AN OVERVIEW OF OUR OPTIONS, AND SO WE’RE NOT
REQUIRING ANY DECISIONS TO BE MADE AT THIS TIME. WE REALLY JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU
AN OVERVIEW OF THE TOOLS AND STRATEGIES AND WE’LL COME BACK
LATER AND REALLY TALK ABOUT FUNDING STRATEGIES AND MORE
ABOUT THAT FRAMEWORK. SO JUST TO REMIND YOU AGAIN,
THIS IS A PROCESS, WE’RE MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE BIT HALFWAY
THROUGH THAT PROCESS NOW. AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT, WE DID
SORT OF THAT FIRST BUCKET, THE ASSESSMENT OF THE MARKET
CONDITIONS AND AN ANALYSIS OF OUR HOUSING NEEDS. AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS, HR&A HAS DONE AN EVALUATION OF THE VARIOUS
HOUSING TOOLS WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL, SO THIS EVALUATION HAS
LED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF STRATEGIES AND POTENTIAL
APPROACHES FOR HOUSING PLANS. WHAT YOU’LL HEAR TODAY WILL BE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
STRATEGY FOR NORFOLK. IF COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT WITH
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A POD TELL AND
FINAL — MODEL AND FINALIZE THE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK FOR
IMPLEMENTING A PLAN THAT WILL INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN NORFOLK. WE’LL ALSO DISCUSS FUNDING
STRATEGIES AT THAT TIME. SO TODAY, WE’LL HEAR THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY INFORM THAT PLAN AND
IT WILL BE STAFF’S JOB IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY COUNCIL TO
CREATE THE FINAL MIX OF STRATEGIES AND ACTIVITIES THAT
WILL — THAT WE WILL ULTIMATELY IMPLEMENT. SO JUST TO REMIND YOU OF A FEW
IMPORTANT DATA POINTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE HOUSING MARKET
THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND TODAY AS WE HEAR THE
RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, FIRST NORFOLK IS A MODERATE STRENGTH
HOUSING MARKET AND WE HAVE SOME AREAS OF STRENGTH, BUT ALSO SOME
AREAS OF WEAKNESSES, AND SO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CAN GENERALLY BE
DIVIDED INTO CATEGORIES OF VARYING HOUSING STRENGTHS. SO STRONG TRIPPING POINT AND
FRAGILE STUBB MARKETS. THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE IN NORFOLK
IS $177,000. WE HAVE UNMET HOUSING NEEDS WITH
35U% OF — 55% OF OUR NORFOLK RENTERS CONSIDERED RENT BURDENS. THAT MEANS THEY SPEND MORE THAN
30% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING COSTS, AND LASTLY, AS WE SAW
AGAIN IN THE INITIAL MARKET STUDY PRESENTATION, NORFOLK HAS
A DISPROPORTIONATE BURDEN OF PUBLIC HOUSING COMPARED TO THE
REGION, SO WE HAVE 48% THE REGION’S PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS
WHILE WE ONLY SHARE 17% OF THE REGION’S POPULATION, SO JUST
AGAIN, SOME IMPORTANT DATA POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE
THINK ABOUT HOW WE’RE GOING TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO
OUR RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE. WHAT WE’VE HEARD FROM YOU AND
LEADERSHIP CONSISTENTLY, THAT THERE ARE REALLY TWO MAIN VALUES
THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE DO THIS WORK. FIRST, WE DON’T WANT OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS TO FALL BEHIND, SO WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN
NEIGHBORHOODS. AND JOINTLY WITH THAT, WE WANT
TO DECONCENTRATE CLUSTERS OF POVERTY, SO WE HEARD THAT FROM
YOU AT THE RETREAT THAT AS WE DECONCENTRATE POVERTY, WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE’RE STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE TWO GOALS ARE ALSO
CONSISTENT WITH OUR VARIOUS PLANS, OUR NORFOLK PLAN TO
REDUCE POVERTY, VISION 2100, OUR RESILIENCE WORK, OUR
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT
THESE TWO VALUES ARE REALIZED. THE HOUSING STRATEGY
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ORGANIZED AROUND THESE TWO GOALS, AGAIN,
STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS AND DECONCENTRATING POVERTY. THESE ARE CONNECTED AND WE’RE
GOING TO DISCUSS THE VARIOUS INITIATIVES THAT WILL SUPPORT
THESE TWO GOALS AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND
LATER WE’LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES FOR THOSE
PROGRAMS. BUT WE REALLY THINK THAT THESE
ARE THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT WE THINK WE CAN USE TO REACH THOSE
GOALS. AND SO WHEN WE BEGAN THIS
PROCESS, WE INFORMED HR&A THAT THERE WERE SPECIFIC GUIDING
PRINCIPLES THAT MUST BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT FORWARD AND SO THESE WERE BASED
ON CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE RETREAT AND
REALLY GUIDE ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE DO WITH POVERTY
REDUCTION IN THE CITY. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN A PEOPLE FOCUS AND A PEOPLE FIRST
APPROACH. SO UNDER THE GOAL OF
DECONCENTRATING POVERTY, WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF
PUBLIC HOUSING TODAY, BUT I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT THIS REDEVELOPMENT WON’T JUST BE ABOUT PHYSICAL
BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO ABOUT RESIDENT NEEDS, SO IT’S NOT JUST
HOUSING TRANSFORMATION, BUT ALSO HUMAN TRANSFORMATION, SO AS THE
MANAGER MENTIONED, THE SECOND PRESENTATION WILL BE ABOUT
PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES AND SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE ALIGNING
THIS HOUSING STUDY WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER POVERTY REDUCTION
EFFORTS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO REALLY MAINTAIN THAT FIRST
GUIDING PRINCIPLE. SECONDLY, WE HEARD YOU AT THE
RETREAT, THAT YOU WANT A BOLD STRATEGY AND SO THESE
RECOMMENDATIONS DEVELOPED GIVE US A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE
PATHWAYS FOR RESIDENTS AROUND HOUSING. SO HOW ARE WE — HOW DO WE BUILD
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO CONNECT TO OPPORTUNITY? ALTHOUGH WE WON’T TALK ABOUT
FUNDING STRATEGIES TODAY, WE KNOW THAT WE’LL HAVE A REAL NEED
TO LEVERAGE BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RESOURCES IN ORDER TO
ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS, AND LASTLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT FORTH ALIGN WITH EXISTING
STRATEGIC PLANS. AGAIN, LIKE OUR RESILIENCE WORK,
OUR POVERTY REDUCTION PLAN, VISION 2100 AND SO ON. I’LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO PHILLIP
TO TALK YOU THROUGH SPECIFICALLY THE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES AND
THESE TWO GOAL AREAS.>>GOOD EVENING. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN. SIMILAR TO THE RETREAT, IF YOU
HAVE — IF YOU WANT TO STOP ME, DISCUSS A POINT IN GREATER
DETAIL OR EXPLAIN SOMETHING AGAIN OR TELL ME I MISSED
SOMETHING CRITICAL, PLEASE DO. THIS IS A PRESENTATION, BUT ALSO
A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A CONVERSATION. SO AS SUSAN DESCRIBED, AS WE
COME BACK WITH PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRATEGY, WE
REALLY TRIED TO ORGANIZE THEM AROUND THE GOALS, SO
STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, DECONCENTRATING POVERTY INTO
INITIATIVES. EACH INITIATIVE IS COMPOSED OF
DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. I’M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH
PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE QUITE A LONG PRESENTATION AND I
THINK I’D BORE MOST FOLKS TO TEARS, BUT WE’LL GET TO EACH
POINT. STARTING WITH STRENGTHENING
NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS IS A GOAL THAT CAME UP CONSISTENTLY FROM
COUNCIL, BUT ALSO FROM EACH STAFF PERSON AND COMMUNITY
MEMBERS WE’VE TALKED WITH. IT’S IMPORTANT TO STRENGTHEN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORFOLK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU’RE TALKING
ABOUT DECONCENTRATING POVERTY AT THE SAME TIME AND ACKNOWLEDGING
THAT NORFOLK IS A CITY WITH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE STRONG
REAL ESTATE MARKETS AND MORE FRAGILE REAL ESTATE MARKETS AND
THERE’S A NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THE REAL CONCEPT WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT PUTTING FORWARD HERE FOR THE PROGRAMS AS COMBINATION OF
SOME EXISTING PROGRAMS. THE CITY HAS A NUMBER OF
EFFECTIVE AND PRETTY WELL RUN HOUSING PROGRAMS AND THEN
ACTUALLY ADDING THOSE WITH SOME NEW PROGRAMS, BUT THE
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS GOAL IS TO
ACTUALLY START TO CONCENTRATE OR FOCUS THOSE INVESTMENTS SO YOUR
HOUSING PROGRAMS REALLY BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD-BASED STRATEGY, NOT
JUST A HOUSING PROGRAM. YOU REALLY START — THE IDEA
THERE, GOING TO THE PRINCIPLES THAT SUSAN TALKED ABOUT, IS YOU
START TO BE ABLE TO HARNESS THE PRIVATE MARKET WHEN YOU INVEST
AND CONCENTRATE INVESTMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THAT
ACTUALLY ATTRACTS PRIVATE MARKET INVESTMENT. WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THREE
DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, INCREASING HOME OWNERSHIP,
REVITALIZING RENTAL, AND CREATING NEW RENTAL AFFORDABLE
HOUSING. HOME OWNERSHIP IS COMMONLY
ASSOCIATED WITH STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT’S
GENERALLY USED AS WAY TO BUILD THE WEALTH OF RESIDENTS. THE CITY THAT IS A FEW PROGRAMS
ALREADY MOVING TOWARDS THIS GOAL IFS A WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
APPROACH THAT’S ABOUT CREATING NEW HOMEOWNERS AND SUPPORTING
EXISTING HOMEOWNERS, AND AGAIN, PARTICULARLY IN TIPPING POINT
AND MORE FRAGILE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE GEM LOTS, THESE ARE LOTS
OWNED BY THE CITY, ARE YOUR MOST OBVIOUS AND CONCENTRATED
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE NEW HOMEOWNERSHIP, CONCENTRATED IN A
FEW NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THAT’S THE FIRST
PROGRAM WE’RE LOOKING AT AND WE’RE CERTAINLY MAKING RECOMMEND
DIGS THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPETITIVE TRANSPARENT
PROCESS THAT FOCUSES ON HOMEOWNERSHIP AND LEVERAGES A
LOT OF WORK YOU’VE ALREADY DONE. YOU’VE DONE WORK PUTTING
TOGETHER DESIGN STANDARDS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO LEVERAGING
THAT WORK AND MOVING THAT FORWARD. SECOND PROGRAM WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT LOOKING AT IS REALLY DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDY. IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU’RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DEVELOP
HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, THE COST TO BUILD THE HOME IS GOING
TO BE MORE IN THE SALES PRICE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU’RE
GOING TO NEED A SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPMENT. THAT MIGHT BE BY DISCOUNTING THE
PRICE OF LAND OR PUTTING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SUBSIDY IN. IT DEPENDS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND THE CONDITIONS. ON THE EXISTING PROGRAM SIDE,
YOU ALL HAVE AN OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM THAT SEEMS TO BE
GENERALLY WELL RUN. WHAT WE’RE RECOMMENDING CHANGED
HERE IS MORE OF AN EMPHASIS ON EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE GREATER IMPACT ON THE BLOCK AS A WHOLE AND THEN
GREATER EMPHASIS ON CONCENTRATIONS, SO YOU’RE
HITTING TWO OR THREE OR FOUR HOUSES ON A BLOCK ARE AN A
COUPLE BLOCKS, THE IDEA BEING YOU’RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS TO INVEST IN THEIR HOUSES AND YOU PUSH UP PROPERTY
VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. SIMILAR RECOMMENDATION WITH THE
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. THE BIGGEST TURNING POINT WE
LOOK FOR, IS IT ENOUGH MONEY TO HELP THE FAMILY AVOID PAYING
MORTGAGE INSURANCE PREMIUMS, BECAUSE MORTGAGE INSURANCE
REALLY — IT’S A COST THAT DOESN’T PROVIDE A LOT OF BENEFIT
TO THE HOUSEHOLD. YOUR PROGRAM IS SET UP THAT WAY,
SO WE DON’T HAVE ANY CHANGES TO RECOMMEND THERE. OUR ONLY REAL RECOMMENDATION IS
TO FOCUS ON TIPPING POINT AND FRAGILE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT’S ON THE INCREASING
HOMEOWNERSHIP SIDE. SMALL RENTAL REVITALIZATION. NORFOLK IS A CITY THAT IS
SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THAT IT WAS SMALL RENTAL PROPERTIES
BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I’M TALKING TWO UNITS TO FOUR
UNITS TO TEN UNITS. MOST NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORFOLK
HAVE SOME OF THIS STOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AREAS WHERE
THERE ARE WELL-MANAGED, WELL-MAINTAINED, THINK MILITARY
HIGHWAY, YOU DON’T EVEN NOTICE THEM THERE AND OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS YOU CAN SEE IN NORFOLK, THEY’RE NOT AS WELL
MANAGED, NOT AS WELL MAINTAINED AND NECESSITY START TO BECOME —
THEY START TO BECOME A DETRIMENT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE’S A NEED TO ADDRESS THEM
IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS AND
WHAT WE’RE PUTTING FORWARD AS COMBINATION OF CARROTS AND
STICKS. THE CITY IS ALREADY WORKING ON
PUTTING TOGETHER A FUND TO HELP LANDLORDS START TO BE ABLE TO
REHAB THEIR PROPERTIES. SMALL LANDLORDS SOMETIMES LACK
THE FINANCIAL CAPACITY OR FRANKLY THE WHEREWITHAL TO
ACCESS MONEY AND GET THEIR PROPERTIES UP. THERE’S A GOOD REASON TO
CONSIDER A LOAN FUND TO HELP THEM DO THAT. THAT’S THE CARROT. ALSO ON THE CARROT SIDE, YOU
HAVE THE RENT READY PROGRAM WHAT YOU’RE STARTING TO PILOT WHICH
WORKS WITH LANDLORDS WHO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND IN
CHANGE, YOU’RE HELPING THEM MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HELP
THEM GET ACCESS TO TENANTS. HAVE TENANTS KNOW THAT THEY’RE
GOOD, RESPONSIBLE, QUALITY LANDLORDS. THOSE ARE GOOD PROGRAMS, THEY’RE
QUALITY EFFORTS AND THEY HELP — ON THE STICK SIDE, NORFOLK IS A
BIT MORE CONSTRAINED. YOU HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT
DEPARTMENT THAT IS TARGETING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AND DOING
GOOD WORK. THEY ARE GENERALLY FOCUSED ON
VACANT PROPERTIES AND THAT’S LARGELY DRIVEN BY YOUR STATE
REGULATION, WHERE YOUR STATE REGULATION DOESN’T GIVE THEM A
LOT OF LEVERAGE WITH OCCUPIED PROPERTIES UNLESS A TENANT IS
COMPLAINING OR THEY’RE REALLY IS AN EGREGIOUS ISSUE ON THE
OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY THEY CAN SEE. SIMILARLY ON THE RENTAL
INSPECTION SIDE, YOU DON’T HAVE — BECAUSE OF STATE LAW,
YOU DON’T HAVE A LOT OF LEVERAGE THERE, UNLESS FOLKS ARE ENGAGING
ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. WHAT WE’RE RECOMMENDING IS YOU
LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO INSIDE THAT STATE LAW AND I THINK
THERE’S SOME ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL LEVERAGE AND FOCUS ON RENTAL
PROPERTIES ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND MORE
WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS TO IDENTIFY THOSE PROPERTIES THAT
ARE AN ISSUE AND GIVE THEM GREATER FOCUSED ATTENTION. YOU CAN’T — IF YOU CAN CONVINCE
A STATE LEGISLATOR TO GIVE YOU MORE AUTHORITY, THAT’S A GREAT
ROUTE, BUT THAT’S ALWAYS A TOUGH RADIOED. WORKING WITH YOUR — TOUGH ROAD. WORKING WITH YOUR EXISTING TOOLS
IN A FOCUSED MANNER AS REALLY OPPORTUNITY. FOR THIS INITIATIVE, WE’RE ALSO
RECOMMENDING A GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS. FINALLY, THERE’S CREATING NEW
RENTAL HOUSING AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF LOOK
AT HOUSING NEEDS AND LOOKING AT HOW TO STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE SAW THE MAJORITY OF
RENTERS IN NORFOLK ARE PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME
TOWARDS HOUSING. THAT’S A REAL COST BURDEN,
THAT’S A REAL ISSUE. THERE’S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL
QUALITY AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING AND WE THINK TAX CREDIT
HOUSING CAN BE A USEFUL TOOL TO BOTH STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOODS
AND ADDRESS THAT NEED AND IN PARTICULARING I’M GOING TO GET A
LITTLE BIT INTO THE WEEDS HERE, SO STOP ME AND ASK QUESTIONS. WE THINK 4% TAX CREDITS ARE A
REAL OPPORTUNITY. THERE’S 9% TAX CREDITS AND 4%. TAX CREDITS ARE ESSENTIALLY
SUBSIDY THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ALLOCATED
BY THE STATE TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. 9% ARE MUCH BIGGER SUBSIDY,
ABOUT THREE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY. IGNORE THE 9 AND THE 4, THE
RATIO IS NOT ACCURATE. NORFOLK IS ACTUALLY WINNING
THOSE ABOUT AS FAST AS THEY CAN. THERE’S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR
YOU TO WIN ANY MORE OF THOSE THAN YOU’RE WINNING. YOU’RE DOING AS GOOD A JOB YOU
CAN PROBABLY DO, SO THAT’S SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF, BUT
THAT MEANS WE NEED TO LOOK AT 4%. THERE’S ESSENTIALLY AN UNLIMITED
SUPPLY OF THEM, SO YOU CAN DO AS MANY 4% DEALS AS YOUR MARKET CAN
SUPPORT. THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IT’S NOT
ENOUGH SUBSIDY USUALLY TO MAKE THE TRANSACTION WORK, SO TO DO A
DEVELOPMENT OF 4% DOESN’T GIVE YOU ENOUGH MONEY. USUALLY YOU NEED MORE SUBSIDY
AND THAT CAN COME IN THE FORM OF DISCOUNTED SALE OF LAND FROM THE
CITY, REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAXES, OR JUST SUBSIDY FROM YOUR
FEDERAL FUNDING OR FROM A LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. WE’VE DONE SOME LOOKING AT
NUMBERS AND DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS, TALKED TO
DEVELOPERS HERE AND WE THINK FOR A TRANSACTION THAT’S 20 UNITS,
A — 120 UNITS A 4% DEAL, YOU HAVE A GAP OF AROUND A MILLION
DOLLARS, WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO
CREATE 120 NEW UNITS OF QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ACTUALLY
AMAZINGLY GOOD DEAL. WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS
SEVERAL TIMES TO MAKE SURE WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT, BUT
THAT’S ABOUT WHERE IT IS IN YOUR MARK. THERE’S A REALLY OPPORTUNITY TO
LEVERAGE FEDERAL MONEY AND PRIVATE MONEY HERE FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I’M GOING TO PAUSE THERE AND
TALK MORE ABOUT AFFORDABLE, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONS ON
THAT. I KNOW I WENT IN DETAIL.>>NORFOLK HAS MORE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING THAN MOST OF THE NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES, CORRECT?>>THAT’S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.>>AND THIS PARTICULAR
INITIATIVE, IT INDICATES WE’RE GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY. WHATEVER NUMBER WE HAVE NOW, WE
WANT TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER.>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>WHICH MEANS THAT NORFOLK IS
THEN HOUSING MORE OF THE LOW AND MEDIAN INCOME HOUSING THAN IT IS
NOW, A GREATER PERCENTAGE THAN OUR NEIGHBORS, AND ALL THE
STUDIES SHOW THAT THE LOWER INCOME HOUSING REQUIRES MORE
SERVICES AND MORE EXPENSE TO THE CITY. SO WE’RE DOING THIS ON THIS END. HOW ARE WE GOING TO AFFORD IT ON
THE BACK END? HOW IS THE CITY GOING TO AFFORD
INCREASING THE COST OF SERVICES TO SCHOOLS, FIRE, TRASH AND
POLICE?>>I THINK THIS IS A GOOD
QUESTION AND IT ACTUALLY KIND OF GETS INTO THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WITH A TAX CREDIT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, IT’S NOT — IT’S PUBLIC HOUSING — AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN
THE FULL SPECTRUM FROM HOMELESSNESS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP,
TAX CREDIT FALLS SOMEWHERE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FALLS
SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. I’M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION AND MOVE TO ANOTHER SLIDE THAT I THINK GETS TO IT. IN TERMS OF INCOME, WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT WHO LIVES IN TAX CREDIT HOUSING, I WANT TO COME
BACK TO ALL — THESE ARE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. TAX CREDIT HOUSING FOR A FAMILY
OF FOUR, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUFL MAKING BETWEEN 42 AND
$35,000, SO THE CAP IS ABOUT 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND
THAT’S $42,000 AND USUALLY YOU DON’T SEE MANY RESIDENTS LOWER
THAN 50% BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY THE RENT. THAT’S HIGHER INCOMES THAN MANY
OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORFOLK THAT ARE FRAGILE OR TIPPING
POINT RIGHT NOW, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY A NET
INCREASE IN INCOME FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AS A WHOLE. IT IS STILL LOWER INCOME, LOW
MODERATE INCOME FOR THE REGION AS A WHOLE, BUT I THINK THAT
IT’S DIFFERENT. THESE AREN’T RESIDENTS WHO
AREN’T ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAX BASE AND THEY AREN’T
RESIDENTS WHO AREN’T ABLE — THEY’RE GENERALLY WORKING FOLKS
WHO ARE MORE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AND CERTAINLY FOR SOME OF THE
PARTS OF THE CITY WOULD REPRESENT A NET IN-FLOW OF
INCOME, SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A QUESTION ABOUT WHICH
NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW YOU TARGET IT. IT’S ALSO A CHALLENGE — I’M
GETTING A LITTLE IN THE WEEDS. YOU CAN’T JUST BUILD A TAX
CREDIT DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE. PEOPLE HAVE TO CHOOSE TO LIVE
THERE. THESE ARE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE
CHOICE AND IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF IDENTIFYING YOUR TIPPING
POINT NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE MARKET IS STRONG AND PEOPLE DO
WANT TO LIVE THERE AND THERE’S NOT QUITE ENOUGH HOUSING AND
STARTING TO CREATE THAT HOUSING. THE OTHER WAY WE’VE SEEN THIS
USED IS YOU DO TAX CREDIT HOUSING IN AN AREA AND YOU GET
YOUR DENSITY HIGHER AND YOU’RE ABLE TO USE THAT TO SUPPORT
ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY PERRY
MORE MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT — BRING MORE MARKET RATE
DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH IT, SO IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE THE ONLY
STRATEGY, BUT I THINK THAT PARTIALLY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION,
BUT I DON’T KNOW THAT I COMPLETELY ANSWERED IT. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ON
THIS? I’LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE, BUT I
THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT –>>SO BASICALLY YOUR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING IS NOT NECESSARILY YOUR ABSOLUTE LOW INCOME HOUSING IS
WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>YOU’RE LOOKING AT AN
ENTRY-LEVEL MIDDLE CLASS TYPE OF INCOME BASE TO DETERMINE — IN
THAT THEY’RE NOT YOUR LOW LOW LOW INCOME EARNING FAMILIES AND
THEY’RE NOT YOUR HIGH INCOME EARNING FAMILY, BUT THEY’RE NOT,
LIKE, IN THE MIDDLE OF MIDDLE INCOME. THEY’RE KIND OF LIKE ENTRY-LEVEL
MIDDLE INCOME?>>SURE.>>LACKING THE ABILITY TO RENT
OR PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE.>>MOST OF THESE — AND AGAIN,
WE HAVE TO DO A MARKET STUDY TO LOOK AT A PARTICULAR
TRANSACTION. A LOT OF THESE WHEREBY RESIDENTS
POTENTIALLY — WILL BE RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY EITHER LIVING IN
NORFOLK OR THE REGION AS A WHOLE AND TAX CREDIT HOUSING IS
GENERALLY REALLY HIGH QUALITY HOUSING FOR A COUPLE REASONS. THE FOLKS WHO ARE INVESTING —
THE INVESTOR IN THESE DEALS IS GOING TO BE A LARGE NATIONAL
BANK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO — THEY HAVE TO INVEST THIS TYPE OF
HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT, AND SO THEY’RE
GOING TO REQUIRE A VERY WELL ORGANIZED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
COMPANY AND THAT’S FRANKLY THE BIGGEST FACTOR THAT DETERMINES
WHETHER A RENTAL PROPERTY IS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IN A
NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU WENT AND LOOKED AT YOUR
RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT GOT IN TROUBLE, YOU FIND OUT YOU ALMOST
NEVER HAVE PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND THE CORRELATION
IS EXTREMELY HIGH THERE. TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES ARE VERY
WELL REGULATED BECAUSE BANK OF AMERICA OR WELLS FARGO, CITIBANK
DOESN’T WANT TO RISK THEIR REPUTATION AND THEY’RE GENERALLY
WELL RUN. YOU’RE GOING TO PULL IN FOLKS
FROM ACROSS THE CITY AND IT’S ANOTHER HOUSING OPTION. PEOPLE HAVE TO CHOOSE TO LIVE
THERE. I DO THINK THERE’S A LEGITIMATE
QUESTION ABOUT THE FISCAL IMPACT AND FISCAL BURDEN IT CREATES. SO YOU HAVE TAX CREDIT HOUSING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY RIGHT NOW AND ALSO ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES
IS THAT IT’S GENERALLY LESS CONCENTRATED THAN YOUR PUBLIC
HOUSING, WHICH WE’LL TALK ABOUT IN ADDITION. JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GOAL OF
STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, WE TALKED ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP,
INCREASING HOMEOWNERSHIP, TALKED ABOUT REVITALIZING SMALL RENTAL
PROPERTIES AND TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF NEW
RENTAL HOUSING. I’M GOING TO TURN OVER AND TALK
MORE ABOUT DECONCENTRATING POVERTY, BUT I WANT TO KEEP IN
MIND THAT THESE TWO GOALS REALLY GOOD HAND IN HAND. AS YOU’RE DECONCENTRATING
POVERTY, YOU HAVE TO BE STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS SO
YOU DON’T END UP HARMING ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT’S WHY
WE’RE KEEPING THIS PARALLEL AND TRYING TO THINK OF THEM TOGETHER
THROUGHOUT ALL OUR WORK. DECONCENTRATING POVERTY, REALLY
TWO INITIATIVES HERE. ONE, REDEVELOP PUBLIC HOUSING
AND WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT BUT REALLY THE DRIVING FACTOR IS THE
PUBLIC HOUSING IS YOUR LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY, SO IF
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT DECONCENTRATING, WE HAVE TO
ADDRESS PUBLIC HOUSING AND THE SECOND FEES WITH MIXED INCOME
RENTAL HOUSING. IF YOU’RE HAVING DECONCENTRATED
POVERTY, YOU HAVE MORE MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY, SO YOU HAVE TO
FIND A WAY TO MAKE MORE MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES. THE BIGGEST CONCENTRATION OF
POVERTY IN THE CITY ARE DRIVEN BY PUBLIC HOUSING. THEY’RE LARGE, LOCATED NEAR EACH
OTHER AND THAT BY IT’S NATURE TENDS TO CONCENTRATE POVERTY, SO
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THAT PIECE OF IT. THEY’RE ALSO A REGIONAL ASPECT
OF IT AND I THINK THIS GOES TO YOUR QUESTION, YOUR POINT
EARLIER. NORFOLK HAS A DISPROPORTIONATE
BURDEN BOTH IN PUBLIC HOUSING, BUT ALSO OF POVERTY. THE POVERTY RATE IN NORFOLK IS
HIGHER THAN THE REGION AS A WHOLE, SO ANY STRATEGY TO
INVOLVES DECONCENTRATING POVERTY WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY INVOLVE A
REGIONAL APPROACH TO HOUSING. THERE’S REAL CHALLENGES TO THAT. ANYWHERE WE TRY TO TAKE THIS
APPROACH, BECAUSE NORFOLK ONLY CONTROLS NORFOLK, SO THERE’S A
LIMIT TO WHAT YOU CAN DO ON A REGIONAL BASIS, BUT WHEN YOU
HAVE A 19% CONCENTRATION AS A WHOLE, YOU RISK THIS WITHOUT A
REGIONAL APPROACH. REDEVELOPING PUBLIC HOUSING,
WHENEVER YOU REDEVELOP PUBLIC HOUSING, THIS IS A LARGE MAJOR
UNDERTAKING THAT TAKES A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, USUALLY INVOLVES
A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT WHEN DONE RIGHT, IT ALMOST
ALWAYS STARTS WITH ENGAGEMENT OF TENANTS, THEN LANDLORDS, THEN
THE ACTUALLY BRICKS AND STICKS. IT DOESN’T ALWAYS WORK
SEQUENTIALLY. YOU CAN RUN THEM IN PARALLEL,
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE MOVING ALL PIECES AT THE SAME TIME, SO ONE
OF THE KEY PROGRAMS WE TALK ABOUT IS TENANT MOBILITY. WHENEVER WE GO TO A PUBLIC
HOUSING SITE AND START TO TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR
REDEVELOPING THAT SITE, THE TENANTS HAVE THE OPTION, THE
CHOICE TO TAKE A VOUCHER AND MOVE. THEY DON’T WANT TO REMAIN FOR
THE REDEVELOPMENT, EITHER BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT THERE
DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR THEY’VE ALWAYS WANTED A
VOUCHER AND ONE HAS NEVER BEEN AVAILABLE, OR THEY’RE NOT SURE
WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE LIKE AND THEY HAD LIKE TO GO
SOMEWHERE ELSE. NORFOLK, MOST PUBLIC HOUSING
WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF RESIDENTS WHO CHOOSE THIS. NORFOLK HAS DATA, HAS
EXPERIENCED IT, IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THAT. THE CHALLENGE, IF A RESIDENT
SAYS THEY WANT TO TAKE A VOUCHER AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, OFTEN
RESIDENTS DON’T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR WHEREWITHAL TO DO
THAT SUCCESSFULLY, SO THEY HAVEN’T — EITHER THEY DON’T
HAVE THE FINANCIAL CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY PUT A SECURITY DEPOSIT
DOWN OR THEY’VE HAD AN ISSUE IN THE PAST WITH BILL COLLECTION ON
A UTILITY AND THAT’S TRIPPING THEM UP OR THEY DON’T HAVE A
CREDIT SCORE, SO THEY CAN’T GET THE UTILITIES TURNED ON AND
FRANKLY, THEY DON’T AS MUCH EXPERIENCE PICKING THE RIGHT
LOCATION FOR HOUSING, SO IS THERE TRANSIT, GET ME TO MY JOB,
GET TO MY SCHOOL, IS THIS A GOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT, CAN I STAY IN
TOUCH WITH MY NETWORK OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT SUPPORTS ME
WHEN MY SON GETS SICK AND I NEED TO GO TO WORK STILL. WE LOOKED AT BALTIMORE AND
CHICAGO, TWO EXAMPLES THAT HAVE BEEN PRETTY EFFECTIVE ON THIS
APPROACH AND THEY BOTH HAVE VERY INTENTIONAL AND VERY ROBUST
TENANT MOBILITY PROGRAMS THAT FRANKLY PUT A FAIR AMOUNT OF
MONEY TOWARDS COUNSELING TENANTS AND PROVIDING COUNSELING AND
GUIDANCE ABOUT FINDING A PLACE, A LOCATION TO LIVE, BUT ALSO
FINANCIAL SUPPORT IN TERMS OF SECURITY DEPOSITS, HELPING CLEAR
UP CREDIT HISTORIES SO AT THE PRESENT TIMES ARE CAPABLE OF
ACTUALLY — SO THE TENANTS ARE CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY, IF THEY
CHOOSE TO, NOT STAYING IN THE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT MOVING TO
ANOTHER LOCATION. THE OTHER ASPECT BOTH OF THOSE
STRATEGIES HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY’RE REGIONAL, SO THEY’RE
LOOKING THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND MAKING SURE THEY’RE
SUPPORTING — YOU CAN TAKE A VOUCHER AND EXPORT IT TO ANOTHER
COMMUNITY. THERE’S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT
COMES WITH THAT AND THEY NEED SUPPORT ON THE PAPERWORK, AND
THEY ALSO NEED SUPPORT PICKING THE RIGHT PLACES. BOTH BALTIMORE AND CHICAGO
REALLY EMPHASIZED NEIGHBORHOODS OF OPPORTUNITY. THEY DEFINE IT SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENTLY, BUT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TORQUE THE CRITERIA COME
DOWN — DOWN TO, THE CRITERIA COME DOWN TO LOWER POVERTY RATES
AND BETTER SCHOOL SYSTEMS WHEN THEY LOOK FOR LOCATIONS TO MOFRT
RESIDENTS TO. THE IDEA THERE IS TO REALLY
DECONCENTRATE THE POVERTY AND PEOPLE MOVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS
WHERE THEY KNOW PEOPLE OR THERE’S ONLY CERTAIN
NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE LANDLORDS ARE ACCEPTING VOUCHERS AND THAT
CAN LEAD TO RECONCENTRATION. THAT’S WHY WE’RE FOCUSSING SO
HARD ON STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT GETS TO THE SECOND POINT I
WANT TO GET INTO A LANDLORD OUTREACH. ALONG WITH TENANT MOBILITY, IF
YOU’RE REDEVELOPING A SITE AND YOU’RE POTENTIALLY CREATING A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NEW VOUCHER HOLDERS THAT ARE GOING
OUT AND LOOKING FOR LANDLORDS THAT ARE ACCEPTING VOUCHERS, YOU
HAVE TO GROW THAT SUPPLIES AN IT HAS TO BE AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT
OR YOU’LL SEE A RECONCENTRATION OF POVERTY. THAT MEANS GETTING IN TOUCH WITH
MOM AND POP WHO ARE MAYBE NOT TAKING VOUCHERS BECAUSE THEY
DON’T UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM OR THEY’RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT
AND LARGE INSTITUTIONAL RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND MAKING SURE
THEY UNDERSTAND IT AND FRANKLY HELPING EVERYBODY DO THE
PAPERWORK TO GET IT DONE. THERE’S DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS. THERE’S DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS FOR
HOW FAR PEOPLE — HOW THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, THE LANDLORD
OUTREACH PROGRAM WITH ACTUALLY WORK. IT CAN BE JUST GETTING IN TOUCH,
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE, HELPING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY
PROVIDING A GUARANTEE FUND SO YOU HAVE RESERVES AND YOU CAN
GUARANTEE TO A LANDLORD THAT THEIR RENT WILL BE COVERED THE
FIRST YEAR OF THE LEASE, SO IF THERE’S A CONCERN, PROBABLY NOT
FOUNDED, BUT CERTAINLY A REALLY CONCERN THAT THE TENANT WON’T
MAKE GOOD ON THE RENT IS ADDRESS THE FIRST YEAR. THAT’S THE TENANT MOBILITY AND
LANDLORD OUTREACH. YOU HAVE TO DO THEM TO MAKE SURE
YOU CAN DO A SUCCESSFUL REDEVELOPMENT AND OUR
RECOMMENDATION FOR NORFOLK IS THAT BOTH OF THESE BE UNDERTAKEN
ON A REGIONAL SCALE. THEN THERE’S THAT BRICKS AND
STICKS PART. SO THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN OF
REDEVELOPMENT. THAT MEANS ENGAGING WITH A
PRIVATE PARTNER, WORKING WITH HUD. THIS IS A LONG PROCESS AND
SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED. THE MOST IMPORTANT PART AND THE
MOST IMPORTANT STEP IS TO ACTUALLY START MOVING THAT
FORWARD TO REACH AGREEMENT WITH HUD AND SAY THIS IS YOUR INTENT,
TO ACTUALLY REDEVELOP A SITE. BECAUSE UNTIL YOU REACH THAT
INITIAL AGREEMENT, YOU CAN’T START TO LET — EMPTY OUT UNITS,
SO ALLOW YOUR NATURAL ATTRITION RATE TO CLEAR UNITS AND YOU HAVE
THE RISK OF MORE RESIDENTS — EASIER TO DO A REDEVELOPMENT IF
YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME AND YOU CAN LET THE BUILDING — YOU HAVE
ABOUT A 15% TURNOVER RATE ANNUALLY, LET THAT REDUCE THE
NUMBER OF UNITS ACTUALLY OCCUPIED OVER TIME. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PIECES FOR
PUBLIC HOUSING REDEVELOPMENT. I KNOW SUSAN IS GOING TO GIVE A
PRESENTATION MORE ABOUT THIS, SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
HOUSING ALL EVENING. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON? I KNOW THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
AREA, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT IN GREATER DETAIL.>>I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW,
FROM OUR RETREAT, I MADE NOTE OF THE 9% THAT YOU MENTIONED IN
SEPTEMBER AND THE 4%. I’M NOT TOO SURE, I KIND OF
UNDERSTAND, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT
BECAUSE THAT’S GOING TO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON WHAT WE’RE
TRYING TO DO FOR THE CITY OF NORFOLK AS WELL AS — AND I KNOW
WE’RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS MORE — HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THE
REDEVELOPMENT OF PUBLIC HOUSING?>>ON THE 9% AND 4%, I’M HAPPY
TO — WE’RE HAPPY TO HAVE AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION TO FOLLOW
UP WITH YOU IN-DEPTH, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN
TO, 9% IS A GREATER SUBSIDY AND 4% IS LESS SUBSIDY AND THEN IT
DEPENDS — THE DEVELOPMENT LETS YOU GO UP TO 42,000.>>THE 9 AND 4%, ONE IS
COMPETITIVE AND ONE IS NONCOMPETITIVE, SO WE’VE BEEN
DOING MOSTLY THE 9%.>>RIGHT, AND THAT’S THREE TIMES
THE AMOUNT OF SUBSIDIES, THAT’S THE NOTE THAT I TOOK, AND THAT
THE 4% CAN’T DO DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT OTHER PARTNERS.>>THAT’S CORRECT. YOU NEED ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY. YOU NEED ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY, BUT
THERE IS — THERE’S ALSO A QUESTION OF GETTING INTO THAT
BAND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DIFFERENT THAN A PUBLIC HOUSING
BAND, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS IN
A TAX CREDIT DEAL, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT FEATURES HERE AND I’LL
BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT MORE. SO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
HERE F WE ARE ACTUALLY REDEVELOPING PUBLIC HOUSING, WE
NEED TO BE CREATING — DECONCENTRATING POVERTY, WE NEED
TO BE CREATING MORE MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES AND THERE’S REALLY
TWO AVENUES THE CITY CAN TAKE ON THIS. ONE, WHENEVER YOU ARE DOING A
TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN REQUIRE AND INCORPORATE SOME
PORTION OF PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS, AND FRANKLY, YOUR
HOUSING REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS ALREADY DOING THIS AND DOING
A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT. IT’S REALLY ABOUT MEMORIALIZING
THAT AND MAKING SURE IT’S AN INTENTIONAL PROCESS WHERE IT’S
ACTUALLY LINKED TO ANY PLAN FOR REDEVELOPMENT, SO YOU’RE
FOCUSING ON GIVING PRIORITY TO RESIDENTS IN A PLACE WHERE
YOU’RE DOING REDEVELOPMENT, SO YOU’RE HELPING SUPPORT THE
REDEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE AGREEMENTS AND GOOD
WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, SO ALL I’M
PROPOSING HERE IS A MEMORIALIZATION OF YOUR EXISTING
PRACTICES. THAT’S THE TAX CREDIT
DEVELOPMENT AND VOUCHER PROGRAM.>>QUICK QUESTION ABOUT
REQUIRING MIXED INCOME. YOU ARE RECOMMENDING A 4% TAX
CREDIT PROGRAM EARLIER. IS THAT GENERALLY COMPATIBLE
WITH MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT.>>THERE’S DIFFERENT WAYS TO
DEFINE MIXED INCOME AND I’LL TRY TO KNIFE THROUGH IT. IF YOU TALKING ABOUT MIXED
INCOME WITH PUBLIC HOUSING, YES, IT CAN BE COMPATIBLE. THERE’S PROJECT-BASED VOUCHERS
AND TENANT-BASED VOUCHERS. IT JUST NATURALLY HAPPENS THAT
YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS OR SOME WITH TENANT
VOUCHERS WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTIES. THAT HAPPENS NATURALLY. PROJECT-BASED VOUCHERS, YOU
DON’T USUALLY SEE THOSE IN A 4% DEAL UNLESS IT’S SPECIFICALLY
PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE
9% DEAL, YOU ACTUALLY GET POINTS AND YOUR HOUSING REDEVELOPMENT
AUTHORITY HAS BEEN VERY SMART ABOUT MAXIMIZING THE POINTS,
WHICH IS WHY YOU GUYS HAVE DONE SO WELL ON 9%. IN TERMS OF MIXED INCOME AND
INCOMES HIGHER THAN 60% OF AMI, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. THE PROBLEM IS ESSENTIALLY YOU
NEED A PRETTY LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT TO DO IT BECAUSE
YOU — FOR YOUR TAX — THE TAX CREDIT HAS A BUNCH OF COSTS THAT
ARE SPECIFIC. WHENEVER YOU HAVE FEDERAL MONEY,
THERE’S A LOT OF RULES FROM PEOPLE, LIKE ME IN WASHINGTON,
TO PUT ON THE FUNDING YOU GET. YOU DON’T WANT THAT MEMBERSHIP
TO GET INTO YOUR MARKET RATE DEAL BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO
FOLLOW ALL THOSE RULES, SO USUALLY YOU NEED A BIG ENOUGH
DEVELOPMENT, LIKE 200 UNITS OR TWO BUILDINGS NEXT TO EACH OTHER
SO YOU CAN KEEP THE COSTS SEPARATE. IT ABSOLUTELY HAPPENS, BUT THE
REAL CHALLENGE BECOMES IS YOUR MARKET STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT
A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT. IF THE MARKET IS STRONG ENOUGH
FOR MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THE THINGS
TOGETHER, IT JUST BECOMES A BIG DEAL AND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH
THE DEVELOPER AND FIGURE OUT THE PHASING.>>IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AND
TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERN OF TAKING ON MORE OF THE REGIONAL
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO
MARKET RATE AT THE SAME TIME, IT’S NOT QUITE AS BAD.>>IT’S NOT AS BAD FISCALLY, BUT
MIXED INCOME IS — EVERY STUDY, EVERY PERSON WHO WENT TO SCHOOL
ON SOCIAL POLICY, THIS HAS BEEN THE DOGMA AND THE RIGHT WAY
TO — IT’S ONE OF THE FEW AREAS IN SOCIAL STUDIES WHERE THERE IS
STRONG DATA TO SUPPORT IT. EVERYONE DOES BETTER WHEN YOU DO
IT THAT. SCHOOLS DO BETTER, PEOPLE DO
BETTER, EMPLOYMENT DOES BETTER. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT’S NOT THE
WAY WE SET UP MOST OF OUR FEDERAL PROGRAMS, SO IT’S NOT
EASY TO DO, BUT IT’S POSSIBLE TO DO. THE SECOND PIECE ACTUALLY, THE
SECOND PROGRAM IS ON INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY. THIS IS SOMETHING HR&A HAS GIVEN
ADVICE IN A NUMBER OF MARKETS IS THIS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY
THAT YOU HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DEVELOPMENTS AND THERE’S LOTS
OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND THE RIGHT APPROACH REALLY DEPENDS ON
THE CITY’S GOALS AND FRANKLY MARKET CONDITIONS. WHEN WE LOOKING AT KNOCK, WHAT
WE’RE PUTTING OUT — AT NORFOLK, WHAT WE’RE PUTTING OUT THERE IS
A RECOMMENDATION THAT ON ANY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT’S
GETTING CITY SUPPORT, SO PUBLIC LAND, SOME KIND OF TAX ABATEMENT
OR OTHER SUPPORT, YOU SHOULD BE HAVING A REQUIREMENT TO INCLUDE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE’RE NOT MAKING RECOMMENDATION
FOR OUR STRAIGHT PRIVATE MARKET TRANSACTION THAT YOU INCLUDE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THOSE DEALS, AND IN D.C. AND SAN
FRANCISCO, NEW YORK, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE THAT
RECOMMENDATION, BUT FOR THAT TO WORK, THERE HAS BEEN TO BE SO
MUCH PROFIT IN THE DEAL THAT YOU CAN ESCAPE THAT PROFIT AND
USE — SCRAPE THAT PROFIT AND USE IT TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THE
DEAL. NORFOLK IS A STRONG MARKET, BUT
IT’S NOT SO PROFITABLE THAT — THAT WILL HURT YOUR ABILITY TO
GET MARKET RATE DEALS YOU SHOULD BE GOING AFTER, SO IF YOU’RE
ALREADY SUPPORTING THE DEAL, WE THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THIS IS A PUBLIC POLICY GOAL,
YOU CAN PUT THAT IN THE REQUIREMENT. FRANKLY IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE
ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY FROM YOU, BUT NOT A HUGE AMOUNT. IF IT’S JUST A STRAIGHT MARKET
RATE DEAL, WE’RE NOT MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY AT
THIS POINT. WE’VE DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF
ANALYSIS AND TALKED ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE A
GOOD THING TO GET INTO RIGHT NOW. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
ON THIS INITIATIVE? REALLY TOGETHER, THE — GO BACK. THE REDEVELOPING PUBLIC HOUSING
AND INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF MIXED INCOME RENTAL HOUSING,
THOSE ARE OUR TWO PIECES THAT WE THINK ALLOW YOU TO DECONCENTRATE
POVERTY AND OF THE TWO, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF PUBLIC HOUSING
IS GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MUCH BIGGER IMPACT. MIXED INCOME HOUSING IS AN
IMPORTANT STEP, BUT IT’S GOING TO CREATE A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER
OF UNITS OVERALL. IT’S STILL GOOD POLICY AND EYE
LINES WITH — ALIGNS WITH YOUR LONG-TERM GOALS. I WANT TO HAND IT BACK OVER TO
SUSAN TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS AND WHERE WE’RE AT.>>THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THE NEXT STEPS ARE
REALLY FOR US TO MODEL SOME EXAMPLES OF THIS, AND SO TO TAKE
THESE PROGRAMS, APPLY THEM TO SOME PROTOTYPICAL SITUATIONS
SPECIFICALLY TO NORFOLK NEIGHBORHOODS AND BRING THOSE
BACK TO YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN
DIFFERENT TIPPING POINTS, FRAGILE, AND STRONG
NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORFOLK. AND SO WE’LL TAKE THE INPUT THAT
WE RECEIVE TONIGHT AND ANY OTHER INPUT THAT WE MIGHT GET, APPLY
THAT SORT OF TO THIS NEXT STEP, AND THEN BE BACK BEFORE YOU
SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO PRESENT THIS MODEL OF PROTOTYPE
HOUSING STRATEGY. AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, ULTIMATELY
TO ALSO TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?>>YEAH. I WAS SITTING HERE AND LISTENING
TO ALL OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE, AND I HAVE SAID IN THE
PAST THAT THERE ARE NOT THREE OR FOUR CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT
HAVE BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AT URBAN RENEWAL AS NORFOLK, YOU KNOW,
THROUGHOUT THE FREEMASON DISTRICT, GHENT, THINGS OF THAT
NATURE. IN THIS PARTICULAR EFFORT, IS
NORFOLK WANTING TO GENTRIFY ITS PUBLIC HOUSING COMMUNITIES AND
TO DO THAT, NORFOLK IS GOING TO HAVE TO, IN MY MIND AND FOR MY
SUPPORT, IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT BEFORE
THE FIRST BRICK IS EVEN MOVED. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PRESENTATION
AT THE RETREAT. WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION NOW,
TONIGHT RATHER, SO NOW IT’S UP TO US TO BE REAL LICK AS TO HOW
TO — REALISTIC AS TO HOW TO TRY TO GET THERE DONE. I WOULD SAY THE BEST EXAMPLE OF
MIXED INCOME WOULD BE BROAD CREEK, BUT THE FUNDING FOR THAT
NO LONGER EXISTS. SO THEREFORE, WE’RE GOING TO
HAVE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE. SO NOW, IF NORFOLK WANTS
TIDEWATER PARK, CALVERT PARK, YOUNG PARK, DOING SOMETHING OVER
IN — NORFOLK IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY. IT’S NOT GOING TO BE AS EASY AS
IT WAS BACK IN THE ’60s WHEN YOU DIDN’T HAVE REPRESENTATION OF
LOW INCOME PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE. NOW YOU DO, AND SO IT’S NOT
GOING TO BE AS EASY JUST TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL, A, B, C, AND D
IN REGARDS TO ONE THING THAT MADE MENTION OF, PEOPLE NOT —
RESIDENTS NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE CREDIT AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE, NOT HAVING THE PROPER MOVING EXPERIENCES AND EXPENSES. WELL, JOE WALDO, WHO IS KNOWN IN
THIS AREA, HAS ALREADY SAID TO ME THAT HE’S GOING TO BE RIGHT
THERE AT THE BECK AND CALL OF THE HOUSING — THOSE RESIDENTS
IN PUBLIC HOUSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET EVERY DIME THAT
THEY SHOULD GET AS FAR AS RELOCATION IS CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE
VOUCHERS, AND A LOT OF TIMES, THE RESIDENTS IN NORFOLK PUBLIC
HOUSING COMMUNITIES, LIKE ROBERTS AND BOWLING, TOOK THOSE
VOUCHERS AND THEY ENDED UP IN THE AREAS THAT THE PROPERTIES
ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE
THAT HAS TO HAPPEN HERE, BEFORE WE REALLY CONSIDER, WE HAVE TO
RECREATE OUR OCCUPANCY PERMIT PROGRAM BECAUSE IF YOU START
DISPERSING INDIVIDUALS AND THEY END UP IN HOUSES THAT ARE NOT AS
WELL MAINTAINED AS THEY WERE LEASED, THEN THEY’RE GOING TO
HAVE A PROBLEM. SECONDLY, THIS IS — THE LAST
TIME WE HAD THIS ISSUE, AND I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE ON
THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, BUT MAKING THIS PRESENTATION AND
THEY WAS MOVING ALL OF THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE TO THE EAST AND
WHAT IT WOULD DO, NORFOLK DID A GREAT JOB AT BRAMBLETON AND WHAT
YOU WOULD BE DOING, YOU’D BE PUSHING A XOB BIT TANT NUMBER OF
RESIDENTS INTO BRAMBLETON AND CREATING A HEADACHE IN A
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A SUCCESSFUL — A VERY SUCCESSFUL,
I GUESS YOU SAY RENOVATION. AND SO WE REALLY JUST HAVE TO,
YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHER AND BE REALISTIC ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT
WE WANT TO DO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD
MENTIONED TO SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS THIS. THERE ARE SEVERAL PARCELS OF
LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF NORFOLK AND THE REDEVELOPMENT
HOUSING AUTHORITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. YOU’VE HEARD ME SAY THAT
ST. PAUL’S BOULEVARD IS THE LINE
OF DEMARCATION FOR RELATIVELY WELL-TO-DO NORFOLK AND POOR
NORFOLK. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE
SUCCESSFUL, THEN WELL-TO-DO NORFOLK IS GOING TO HAVE TO
ABSORB SOME OF THIS, AND IT’S ONLY BEING REALISTIC ABOUT IT. I WAS JUST SITTING HERE THINKING
WE HAVE THAT BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE HRT USED TO BE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT PLANS THEY
HAVE FOR THAT. THERE’S A WASTE MANAGEMENT SITE
ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, BUT THAT’S A SITE THAT HAS — THE
OLD WASTE MANAGEMENT SITE, WHICH IS BOUNDED BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN
AND TIDEWATER, LET’S SAY TIDEWATER DRIVE ON THE WEST, IT
GOES OVER TO JACOX ON THE EAST, VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD AND
THEN BARRAUD PARK ON THE NORTH. THAT’S A SITE THAT HAS ACCESS. WHEN I SAY ACCESS, YOU HAVE
THREE SCHOOLS THERE. YOU HAVE JACOX ELEMENTARY,
RUFFNER IN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU HAVE
BOOKER T. THAT PROPER IS OWNED BY THE CITY
OF — PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF NORFOLK. NORFOLK CAN GO IN AND MAKE AN
EFFORT TO SHOW THAT THEY’RE REALLY INTERESTED IN BEING
SUCCESSFUL. NOW, IN ADDITION TO THOSE
SCHOOLS, YOU HAVE THE HUNTERSVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER
WHICH HAS THE SWIMMING POOL, YOU HAVE HUNTERSVILLE PARK, BARRAUD
PARK WITH THE BASICALLY FIELD AND A TENNIS COURT, AN AM MI IF
I THEATER AND — AMPHITHEATER AND MULTI USE LAND. WHEN WE SIT BACK AND REALIZE
WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO, WHEN WE COMPLETE THE GENTRIFICATION,
IT HAS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND I USE THE TERM “GENTRIFICATION”
BECAUSE THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. YOU RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT WE
HAVE ALL THIS LAND DOWNTOWN, ALL THESE BUSINESSES COMING DOWN
THERE, BUT WE HAVE ALL THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE, SO IN ORDER FOR
ME TO SUPPORT ANY OF THIS, IT HAS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY. NOW, I’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR
15 YEARS OR LONGER AND MY MAJOR REASON FOR HOPING THAT NORFOLK
WOULD HAVE STEPPED FORWARD AHEAD OF TIME WAS TO TAKE RACE OUT OF
THE ISSUE. IF YOU GO THROUGH AND DO THE
THINGS THAT YOU SUGGESTED, AND WHEN I SAY YOU, I’M SPEAKING
COLLECTIVELY, I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU IN PARTICULAR, BUT
COLLECTIVELY IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU’RE GOING TO
BRING RACE INTO ISSUE. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE I DON’T
KNOW HOW MANY — I DON’T KNOW. THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS
AND LOW INCOME PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED, AND SO IN ADDITION TO
THAT, THE REASON THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS DOING AN
AWFUL JOB OF MAINTAINING THE PROPERTIES THEY HAVE NOW. WHEN I RIDE THROUGH CALVERT AND
TIDEWATER PARK, IT’S AWFUL AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY HAS LET THAT PROPERTY GO DOWN, SO EVERYBODY CAN SAY,
WELL, IT NEEDS TO GO AND THIS IS WHAT NORFOLK DOES. THAT’S WHAT THEY DID WITH THE
TEXAS STREET. THEY KNEW WHERE THE DRUGS WERE,
THEY KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THEY SAY WE’RE NOT
GOING TO PUT A DIME THERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET A
CONSENSUS THAT IT NEEDS TO GO. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
THE HOUSING AUTHORITY NEEDS TO DO RIGHT NOW IS GO BACK IN THERE
AND CLEAN THAT COMMUNITY UP BECAUSE IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
TOMORROW. THEY NEED TO GO IN THERE AND
CLEAN IT UP, THEY NEED TO REPAIR THE CURBS, GUTTERS. TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, WE HAD
TO INSIST THAT DOMINION VIRGINIA POWER COME IN AND PUT LIGHTS
BACK IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAD LET
THEM GO DIM AND DID NOTHING. AND SO ALL I’M SAYING TO YOU,
AND WHEN I SAW YOU, I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, I WANT YOU TO
KNOW, I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A WALK
IN THE PARK.>>AGREED.>>IT’S NOT GOING TO BE A WALK
IN THE PARK. IF IT’S DONE, IT HAS TO BE DONE
CORRECTLY. IF NOT, THEN THERE ARE FORCES —
AND I DON’T MEAN VIOLENT FORCES, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE FORCES
THAT NORFOLK IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I COULD GO ON, BUT I’LL — OKAY. THANK YOU AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
I’M NOT DIRECTING THIS AT YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU’RE DOING A
GOOD JOB AND I JUST DON’T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT I’M DIRECTING
IT AT YOU.>>SURE, THANK YOU. BUT I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT
BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY, AS WE WORK WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND
OTHER PARTNERS, WE CERTAINLY LISTEN TO YOU AND UNDERSTAND
THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
AND BUILD FIRST IS PART OF OUR STRATEGY AND WE CAN TALK MORE
ABOUT THAT –>>WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET ON
THE BUS AND RIDE THROUGH THE PUBLIC HOUSING COMMUNITIES AND
EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE WILL SAY, MY GOD, WE GOT PEOPLE
LIVING LIKE THAT? IT’S UNBELIEVABLE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY IS DOING WITH THE MONEY. THEY’RE CHECKING RENT. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN PAID FOR
YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO. BUT IT’S — THEY NEED A PARKING
PERMIT PROGRAM BECAUSE IF YOU RIDE THROUGH THERE, EVERY UNIT
HAS THREE OR FOUR CARS AND THE PEOPLE DON’T LIVE THERE. THERE’S LITTER. I THINK OUR SOLID WASTE
DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THERE AND MAKE THAT REMOVAL, THE
MEN ON THE TRUCKS NEED TO HAVE SHOVELS AND BROOMS TO MAKE SURE
THAT ANYTHING THAT FALLS OUT OF ONE OF THOSE CONTAINERS, THAT
THEY SWEEP IT UP. I MEAN, THERE’S JUST SO MUCH
STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE
A LOOK AT IT. THAT’S IT, THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>SO ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK
TO US WHEN? WHAT’S THE BEST TIME FRAME?>>OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS, WE’LL SCHEDULE THEM TO COME BACK ONCE WE’VE HAD AN
OPTION TO RUN THOSE PROTOTYPICAL SITUATIONS.>>ALL RIGHT. MR. MANAGER —
>>SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.>>SO MAYOR, I KNOW WE HAVE
COUNCIL INTERESTS, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE SUSAN JUST STAY
FOR ABOUT SIX SLIDES, LET’S DO THE PURPOSE BUILT.>>YES, PLEASE.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. SO I’M PLEASED TO OFFER YOU A
BRIEF UPDATE ON PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES, JUST TO PULL US ALL
BACK TOGETHER. PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES IS A
NONPROFIT CONSULTING FIRM OUT OF ATLANTA THAT HELPS CITIES AROUND
THE COUNTRY REVITALIZE DISTRESSED NEIGHBORHOODS AND
BREAK THE CYCLE OF POVERTY. SO AS THE MANAGER MENTIONED,
SEVERAL OF YOU HEARD FROM CAROL NAUGHTTON, THE PRESIDENT OF
PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES AT YOUR RETREAT IN 2015. I KNOW SINCE THEN, WE’VE HAD
SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO WE WANTED TO START OFF WITH JUST A
QUICK VIDEO THAT GROUNDS US ALL IN THE MODEL. MM
>>>WE HAVE A MODEL THAT, FROM SPARTANBURG TO OMAHA TO
BIRMINGHAM TO ORLANDO TO INDIANAPOLIS, TO ATLANTA AND ALL
OF THE PURPOSE BUILT CITIES, AND YOU WOULD FIND THAT THERE IS
SOMETHING TO LEARN IN EACH ONE OF THOSE CITIES. WE ARE A GIVING, LOVING GROUP,
BUT WE ALSO ARE A GROUP THAT LEARNS. SO WE COME WITH CERTAIN
HUMILITY, KNOWING THAT LOCAL LEADERS KNOW THEIR COMMUNITIES
BEST. WE KNOW WHAT HAS WORKED IN EAST
LAKE AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT WE’RE THERE TO
LEARN AND WE’RE THERE TO LEARN WITH YOU.>>PURPOSE BUILT IS SO VITAL IN
REDEVELOPING AND REVITALIZING COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT TAKES
THAT HOLDLESS STICK APPROACH — HOLISTIC APPROACH. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
EDUCATION, THE HOUSING, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, ALL THE
ASPECTS TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE PICTURE.>>THE PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITY
MODEL PROVES THAT IT CAN BE DONE. EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY
WHO CHASES THAT KIND OF A RESULT HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR
CIRCUMSTANCES AND FACTS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THE BASIC VALUES,
THE DRIVE, THE HOPE, THE BELIEF, THAT CHANGE CAN OCCUR FOR THE
BETTER FOR EVERYONE, ALL OF THOSE ARE CORE INGREDIENTS IN
EACH ONE OF OUR JOURNEYS.>>PURPOSE BUILT HAS A WONDERFUL
NAME IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND IT’S STARTING TO REALLY GET
OUT THERE ACROSS BOARD. SCHOOL SYSTEMS NOW ARE
RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF PARTNERING WITH PURPOSE BUILT.>>THE ROLE OF PURPOSE BUILT
REALLY IS TO GIVE A STRUCTURE TO AN EFFORT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE ALREADY SHARING. THEY HAVE A GOAL BUT THEY DON’T
KNOW HOW TO OPERATIONALIZE THAT, AND PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES
HELPS STRUCTURE THE APPROACH.>>THE FULL OFFERING OF PURPOSE
BUILT IS LIFTING UP A MODEL FOR THE NATION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
BE CONTRACT RAT OF THE ENTER — CONSIDERATE OF THE INTERPLAY OF
HOUSING, OF EDUCATION, AND OF WELLNESS. IN MANY WAYS, THE COHESION, THE
BUILDING OF A FABRIC OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THAT WAY, I
THINK THAT PURPOSE BUILT IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORKS THAT IS EMERGING IN OUR NATION.>>SO FOR ME, WEIGHS REALLY
EXCITING ABOUT — WHAT’S REALLY EXCITING ABOUT THE PURPOSE BUILT
MODEL IS THAT IT WORKS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND LOCAL LEADERS TO
REALLY ADAPT THIS MODEL TO THE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE
COMMUNITY. IT’S A NATIONAL MOVEMENT AND IT
INCLUDES A NETWORK OF EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS FROM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO CITIES WHO JOIN ITS
NETWORK. IT’S ABOUT CREATING THOSE MIXED
INCOME COMMUNITIES THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THE EARLIER
PRESENTATION, BUT IT’S ALSO — IT PAIRS THIS WITH QUALITY
SCHOOLS AND SERVICES LIKE JOB COUNSELING AND CHILDCARE TO HELP
EXISTING RESIDENTS. IT WAS FOUNDED BY AN ATLANTA
DEVELOPER TOM COUSINS, AND IT HAS OTHER INVESTORS LIKE WARREN
BUFFETT THAT HAS REALLY TAKEN THIS MODEL TO A NATIONAL LEVEL,
SO AGAIN, IT IS PLACE-BASED, BUT ALSO PEOPLE-CENTERED. AND IT REALLY REQUIRES THE OPEN
AND TRANSPARENT ENGAGE — ENGAGEMENT OF THE RESIDENTS IN
THE COMMUNITY TO, MR. RIDDICK’S
POINT, SO THIS IS REALLY PLANNING WITH THE RESIDENTS, NOT
FOR THE RESIDENTS. IT WORKS TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF
INTERGENERATIONAL POVERTY, SO IT WORKS WITH THE ENTIRE FAMILY
THROUGH THERE LOCAL HIS STICK APPROACH AND IT ASSISTS ON BEST
THIS CLASS PARTNERS. THIS IS THE MODEL. THEY FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SORT OF
THESE THREE TENETS. IT’S A DEFINED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
WORKS TO DECONCENTRATE POVERTY BY TRANSFORMING COMMUNITIES WITH
MIXED INCOME HOUSING, HIGH QUALITY CRADLE TO COLLEGE
EDUCATION PIPELINE, AND THEN ALL THOSE COMMUNITY WELLNESS
SERVICES, CAREER DEVELOPMENT, LIFE SKILLS PROGRAMS, FINANCIAL
LITERACY, AND ALL OF THIS IS COORDINATED AND DRIVEN BY A
SINGLE PURPOSE LEAD ORGANIZATION, WHICH THEY CALL
THE COMMUNITY QUARTERBACK. THEY’RE HELPING CITIES ACROSS
THE COUNTRY DO THIS WORK WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THE CRITERIA FOR
SUCCESS IS PRESENT. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE 16 NETWORK
CITIES, TWO OF WHICH HAVE JUST COME ON BOARD IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF MONTHS. THEIR INTENTION IS TO HAVE 25 IN
TOTAL, AND THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT. THEY RANGE FROM LARGE-SCALE
REBUILDING OF PUBLIC HOUSING COMMUNITIES TO SMALL IN-FILL
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE HEART OF DISTRESSED COMMUNITIES. SOME USE CHARTER SCHOOLS, SOME
WORK WITHIN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND SO AGAIN, THIS MODEL
IS ADAPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. WE CERTAINLY HOPE NORFOLK WILL
BE THE 17th NETWORK PARTNER, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE
LAST YEAR TO ESTABLISH A NETWORK OF PRIVATE CHAMPIONS TO HELP
ADVANCE THIS EFFORT. WE’VE HAD A COUPLE OF TRIPS THAT
HAVE INCLUDED BUSINESS, CIVIC AND PHILANTHROPIC LEADERS TO
EAST LAKE TO EXAMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS MODEL IS APPLICABLE TO
NORFOLK. WE’VE HAD SOME OTHER CITY STAFF,
BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND NONPROFIT LEADERS ATTEND THE PURPOSE BUILT
CONFERENCE, AND SO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS MODEL IN
ACTION IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. WE’VE ESTABLISHED THIS
INTERAGENCY REVITALIZATION PLANNING GROUP WITH THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY AND THE CITY TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MR. RIDDICK CHALLENGED US WITH
EARLIER TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING COMMUNITIES. PURPOSE BUILT COMMUNITIES HAS
OFFERED TO FACILITATE THOSE GROUPS FOR US, AND THE MOST
EXCITING THING IS THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO NORFOLK. THEY’VE PROVIDED US WITH A TEAM
OF EXPERTS TO HELP US IN THESE EFFORTS, SO IN ADDITION TO THE
THREE MEMBERS OF THE PURPOSE BUILT TEAM, CAROL NAUGHTTON, THE
PRESIDENT, KATHLEEN BROWNLEY, FROM THIS REGION, AND HAS A
BACKGROUND IN REAL ESTATE, BRITTANY COLLINS WITH PURPOSE
BUILT WHO IS A FORMER EDUCATOR, THEY HAVE ALSO COMMITTED TO US
TWO CONSULTANTS, RENEE GLOVER, WITH THE CATALYST GROUP. SHE’S THE PREVIOUS CEO OF THE
ATLANTA HOUSING AUTHORITY AND WAS FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, AND SO
SHE HAS PIONEERED MASTER PLAN, MIXED USE MIXED INCOME
DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT ATLANTA AND WE KNOW THAT WE WILL GREATLY
BENEFIT FROM HER EXPERTISE. IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE PROVIDED
ROCHELLE PATTON, THE DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, CURRENTLY A
CONSULTANT WITH NRHA, SO FAMILIAR WITH OUR MARKET AND OUR
AREA AND IS AN EXPERT IN THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE DEMONSTRATION
PROGRAM OR THE RAD PROGRAM. AND SO — IN ADDITION TO THAT,
AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THE EARLIER
PRESENTATION, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A NORFOLK ISSUE, BUT
A REGIONAL ISSUE, AND SO WE HAVE BEGUN, NEXT WEEK PURPOSE BUILT
WILL BE IN TOWN TO LEAD A REGIONAL CONVERSATION ON POVERTY
REDUCTION THAT’S BEING HOSTED BY THE PLANNING DISTRICT
COMMISSION, SO WE’RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE’RE LOOKING TO SECURE FUNDING
FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COMMUNITY QUARTERBACK
ORGANIZATION AND SIGN AN MOU WITH PURPOSE BUILT TO BECOME PAR
OF THE NETWORK. AND SO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE
COMMITTED TO US AND COMMITTED THIS TEAM OF EXPERTS MAKES US
FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY AND THAT WE CAN MAKE
SURE THAT WE DO THIS IN THE RIGHT WAY, THAT WE CAN, YOU
KNOW, TAKE THE DATA THAT WE GET FROM THE HOUSING STUDY AND MAKE
SURE THAT WE’RE TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE AND CREATING A COMMUNITY
REVITALIZATION THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES TO PEOPLE. THANK YOU.>>THAT’S ALL WE HAVE, MAYOR, SO
I’LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU FOR COUNCIL INTERESTS.>>ALL RIGHT. MR. RIDDICK, WE’LL START WITH
OUR COUNCIL INTERESTS.>>ACTUALLY, I DON’T HAVE
ANYTHING.>>ALL RIGHT, DR. WHIBLEY.>>SO I NOTICED THAT THE
ELECTION BOARD IS HERE. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT
THE –>>IS THAT A POP-UP?>>YES, WE’RE READY FOR A
POP-UP.>>WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE FOR
THEM?>>HELLO. ACTUALLY, WE WERE JUST
COMPLETING A CANVASS OF OUR ELECTION BEFORE WE STEPPED UP
FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. OUR STAFF IS CRUNCHING NUMBERS
RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN FINISH THE ABSTRACTS FOR THE NOVEMBER 8th
GENERAL AND SPECIAL ELECTIONS TO GET THEM OFF TO THE STATE BOARD
OF ELECTION. SO WE’RE CRUNCHING NUMBERS AS WE
SPEAK. WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC I
CAN ADDRESS FOR YOU? [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]
>>MR. RIDDICK?>>YES, STEPHANIE, LET ME ASK
YOU A QUESTION. OVER IN GHENT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE
THAT VOTE WAY OVER IN GHENT. YOU HAVE TAYLOR AND YOU HAVE THE
MUSEUM –>>CHRYSLER MUSEUM, GHENT
COMMUNITY CENTER, PARK PLACE.>>SO LET’S SAY JUST USING —
>>WE HAVE PARK PLACE.>>ON THIS SIDE OF 21st STREET,
THE SOUTH SIDE OF 21st STREET. YOU HAVE TAYLOR AND YOU HAVE THE
MUSEUM.>>YES.
>>AND TAYLOR AND MUSEUM –>>GHENT SQUARE.>>AND I GUESS MY POINT IS I
HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE WHO LIVES OVER THERE AND HE WAS SAYING
THAT THAT LITTLE SMALL AREA HAS AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX VOTING
PLACES WHERE IN SOME OF YOUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, FOR EXAMPLE,
ROSEMONT AND YOU HAVE MAYBE BOWLING, I DON’T KNOW HOW THEIR
TURNOUT WAS, SO NOT HAVING AS MANY POLLING PLACES IN SOME OF
YOUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE TURNOUTS LIKE ROSEMONT, THAT’S
VOTER SUPPRESSION, YOU KNOW. INCH —
>>OKAY.>>AND I’D LIKE TO YOU TO LOOK
AT IT.>>SURE.>>AND ALSO, IT WAS SUCH A
DISMAL TURNOUT OVER AT RUFFNER. MAYBE WE NEED TO TRY TO GET
SOMETHING ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.>>ACTUALLY, RUFFNER WAS GREAT
COMPARED TO IT’S BEEN IN THE PAST. THEY HAD OVER 500 PEOPLE COME
OUT AND VOTE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION. WE’VE HAD ELECTIONS WHERE
THERE’S BEEN TWO PEOPLE VOTED AND ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN AN
OFFICER OF ELECTION WORKING THE POLLS. SO I WAS JUST SURPRISED WITH
THEIR TURNOUT.>>SO YOU THINK IT’S WORKING
WELL?>>IT IS. WE DID HAVE NORFOLK POLICE
ASSISTING US ON ELECTION DAY, DIRECTING TRAFFIC IN THE EARLY
MORNING BECAUSE THE TIME CHANGE, OF COURSE, ROLL BACK OVER THE
WEEKEND. THEY ASSISTED EARLY IN THE
MORNING, THEY ASSISTED IN THE EVENING. WE HAD SIGNS POSTED ASSISTING
WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL TO SLOW THE SPEED DOWN FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL,
BUT IT HAS IMPROVED. WE HAVE LOOKED, AT YOU’RE WELL
AWARE, A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE LOCATIONS. THE POOL HAS WORKED OUT VERY
WELL AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THE SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED ON ELECTION
DAY AND THE TEACHERS HAD A VIRTUAL WORK DAY, SO THAT LEFT
FOR AMPLE PARKING AT MOST OF OUR POLLING LOCATIONS THAT WERE
SCHOOLS, SO WE WERE HAPPY WITH THAT. WE’RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT MORE
POLLING PLACES. WE WILL BE CONVERTING FROM OUR
CURRENT VOTING SYSTEM THAT WE’VE BEEN USING. WE HAD CONSOLIDATED SOME
PRECINCTS BACK IN 2012 TO CONSERVE ON THE VOTING EQUIPMENT
THAT WE HAD AT THAT TIME. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS YEAR
PASSED A BILL THAT IS REQUIRING US TO MOVE FROM A TOUCH-SCREEN
VOTING SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW, TO PAPER BALLOTS WITH
AN OPTICAL SCAN, WHICH MEANS WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT
AND PURCHASE ALL NEW EQUIPMENT AND PAPER BALLOTS FOR EACH AND
EVERY ELECTION, ENOUGH TO SATISFY THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED
VOTERS, PLUS EXTRA IN CASE SOMEBODY MESSES UP HOW THEY MARK
ON A BALLOT OR YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT TURN OUT THAT THINK THAT
THEY’RE REGISTERED TO VOTE AND THEY’RE NOT. SO WE’RE GOING TO BE MOVING TO A
WE’LL NOW VOTING BASE GOING FORWARD. WE KNEW IT WAS COMING AND BY
2020, JULY 2020, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT NEW SYSTEM IN PLACE.>>DID THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
APPROPRIATE ANY MONEY FOR THAT?>>NO!>>WHAT? HOW DO THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE
THAT? THOSE GUYS IN RICHMOND, I TELL
YOU.>>NO, THERE’S NO MONEY TREE
THAT I’M AWARE OF.>>WHERE ARE THEY WHEN WE NEED
THEM?>>THERE WILL BE AN UP FRONT
COST IN PURCHASING EQUIPMENT FOR THE OPTICAL SCANNERS, BUT THE
COSTS PER ELECTION WILL BE GOING UP BECAUSE OF PAPER BALLOTS. I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
ROSE MONT, THAT’S ONE OF OUR LARGER PRECINCTS. SHERWOOD WAS A LARGE PRECINCT
THAT WE CONSOLIDATED FROM THE SCHOOL AND REC CENTER BECAUSE
THEY WERE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER, BUT WE’LL BE
HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE OUR HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF VOTER
REGISTRANTS ARE TO SEE ABOUT POSSIBLY IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO
SPLIT SOME OF THOSE AND LOOK AT OTHER BUILDINGS. WE TRY AND STAY IN THE
CITY-OWNED BUSINESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE CITY HAS
MORE CONTROL WITH THE SCHOOLS, THE REC CENTERS, THE LIBRARIES. THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE. THEY HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST AND
WE APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR SUPPORT THAT WE’VE GOTTEN WITH THE
ELECTIONS FROM GENERAL SERVICES, THE POLICE, DIRECTOR OF
LIBRARIES, EVEN OUR LIBRARIES CLOSED THAT WERE USED AS POLLING
PLACES. THEY WERE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC
OTHER THAN VOTING PURPOSES AND WE APPRECIATED THAT TO HELP.>>DR. WHIBLEY AND MRS. GRAVES.>>I’M SORRY.>>IS THERE A PROBLEM AT
ROSEMONT?>>WITH THE LINES AT LARCHMONT.>>THE LINES ALL DAY, IT WAS
OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF.>>THERE WERE SOME LINES AT
LARCHMONT AND A LOT OF THAT WAS DUE TO OLD DOMINION COLLEGE
STUDENTS WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE REGISTERED AT EITHER LAMBERTS
POINT COMMUNITY CENTER OR OLD DOMINION PRECINCT, WHICH IS AT
LARCHMONT ELEMENTARY. MOST OF THESE STUDENTS DID END
UP VOTING PROVISIONAL BALLOTS. THEY WERE REGISTERED IN OTHER
LOCALITIES, NOT HERE NECESSARILY, AND THERE WAS A LOT
OF — I DON’T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY CONFUSION, BUT THERE WAS
ENCOURAGEMENT ON BEHALF OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE WORKING OUTSIDE
THE CAMPAIGNS, ENCOURAGING STUDENTS TO GO BACK AND VOTE
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS WHEN THEY WERE NOT REGISTERED HERE, SO
THAT DID SLOW SOME OF THE LINES.>>WHEN I WAS AT LARCHMONT, THEY
PULLED THE STUDENTS OUT INTO A STRAIGHT LINE AND SO THE LINES
FOR THOSE — IN A SEPARATE LINE, AND SO THE LINES FOR OF US WHO
WERE NONSTUDENT’S, I WAITED AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES.>>WE WERE TRYING TO VERIFY WHO
WAS REGISTERED TO GET THEM PROCESSED AND IF THERE WAS
SOMEBODY THAT NEEDED ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T FIND THEM
IN THE POLL BOOK, CALL DOWNTOWN TO FIND ARE THEY REGISTERED
HERE, REGISTERED VIRGINIA BEACH, HAMPTON, NEWPORT —
>>WHAT YOU’RE SAYING THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU VERIFIED THEN
WERE NOT VOTING INAPPROPRIATELY AND THE LINES FOR AN HOUR AND 40
MINUTES.>>YEAH, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE
LENGTH OF THE LINE, BUT I KNOW WE DID HAVE SOME LINES AT SOME
PLACES. TYPICALLY THE LINES WERE LONGER
BEFORE PEOPLE WENT TO WORK AND IN THE EVENING WHEN THEY GOT OFF
OF WORK.>>THIS HAS BEEN THE SECOND TIME
THAT THIS HAS BEEN, BUT THIS WAS BY FAR THE WORST AND THE PEOPLE
WORKING THE POLLS, BLESS THEIR HEART, THEY WERE WORKING VERY,
VERY HARD AND THEY WERE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE SUPPORT THEY
HAD AND THE FACT THAT THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE SERVICES FOR OUR
VOTERS FOR AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES, AND REPORTEDLY IT WAS
THE LONGEST LINE IN VIRGINIA. I MEAN, I JUST AM HOPING THAT
YOU GUYS ARE NOT JUST SAYING, WELL, THAT WAS A BUSY TIME OR
MAYBE SOME STUDENTS. AND IF IT WERE THE STUDENT MUCH,
WE NEED TO WORK THAT BETTER BECAUSE WE WANT THOSE STUDENTS
TO VOTE AND WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO INCLUDE THE
STUDENTS, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND — I UNDERSTAND THERE
WAS SOME CONFUSION ON HOW THEY’RE REGISTERED, BUT THE
BOTTOM LINE IS WE WANT AS MANY STUDENTS, AS MANY PEOPLE AS
POSSIBLE TO VOTE AND TO HAVE THEM WAIT FOR AN HOUR AND 40
MINUTES IS JUST LIKE MR. RIDDICK
SAYS, IT’S DISENFRANCHISING MANY OF THEM.>>WE USED TO HAVE A POLLING
PLACE ON CAMPUS YEARS AGO AND WERE MOVED OFF OF CAMPUS. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO
CONSIDER TOO IN TALKING WITH ODU.>>THERE WAS A PLACE RIGHT UP
THE STREET HAD NO LINES.>>WE TRIED TO MOVE SOME OF THAT
BEFORE BACK IN 2012 AND THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO
CONSOLIDATED.>>COME BACK TO US. [ LAUGHTER ]
>>I MIGHT DO THAT.>>MRS. GRAVES.>>WE WANT TO — WE TRIED TO
STOP THE POLLING PLACES WITH — STOCK THE POLLING PLACES WITH
EXTRA PERSONNEL THAT WE KNEW WAS GOING TO BE HEAVY TURNOUT. IT’S LIKE WINNING THE LOTTERY,
EVERYBODY COMES OUT EVERY FOUR YEARS AND VOTES IN THAT
PARTICULAR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, SO WE’RE WORKING ON
THAT, WORKING ON PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO HELP WITH THE
LINE CONTROL, BUT IF WE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN CREATE A LOCATION
ON CAMPUS, WHICH WE ARE HAPPY TO TALK WITH ODU, TALK WITH THEM
ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING SOMETHING ONSITE FOR THE STUDENTS THAT
WOULD SEPARATE THAT WHOLE SEGMENT OUT WHERE THEY COULD
VOTE AND IT WOULD CREATE A LOT LESS CONFUSION IN SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED THERE. THAT’S AN OPTION WE COULD LOOK
AT TO.>>MRS. GRAVES.>>FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EXTRA EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS DID PUT
INTO RUFFNER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A HUGE CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT IT AND
LOOKED AT IT AGAIN AND A LOT OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE PUT
FORWARD, YOU ALL — YOUR OFFICE COMBINED WITH THE CITY STAFF AND
EVERYTHING, MADE THAT A SAFE PLACE TO VOTE, CROSSING STREETS
AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS WHAT I HAD, BUT TOMMY
HAS NO VOICE — IMAGINE THAT, YOU GUYS — AND HE’S ASKED ME TO
JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT HIS PRECINCT RAN OUT OF “I VOTED”
STICKERS AND HE VOTED AT 4:00, SO AFTER 4:00, THERE WERE NO “I
VOTED” –>>THEY MUST HAVE GIVING THEM TO
ALL THE KIDS THAT CAME BECAUSE WE SENT A LOT OF “I VOTED”
STICKERS. I WASN’T AWARE OF THAT. I KNOW WE SENT OUT MORE, BUT I
KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN THE FAMILIES COME ALL TOGETHER, EVERYBODY
GETS A STICKER.>>MRS. JOHNSON.>>HI.>>HI. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR
HELPING ME OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE. I GOT A CALL AND AN EMAIL FROM
RICHARD BOWLING ELEMENTARY, THEY WERE HAVING MOCK ELECTIONS AND I
SENT THE EMAIL TO MS. ILES, AND
SHE PROVIDED SAMPLE BALLOTS FOR EVERY CHILD, SO ALMOST 600
CHILDREN, AS WELL AS THE “I VOTED” STICKERS —
>>THEY GOT ALL YOUR STICKERS. [ LAUGHTER ]
>>THE “I VOTED” STICKERS AND THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE IT
WAS A GREAT DAY. PRE-KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 5th
GRADE VOTED THAT DAY. SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. AND FOR RICHARD BOWLING
ELEMENTARY, IF YOU WENT IN TO VOTE AT 6:00 A.M., YOU DIDN’T
GET OUT UNTIL 7:30. WELL, IT’S ONE OF THE HIGHEST
VOTING PRECINCTS, AS MR. RIDDICK
SAID. IT IS ALWAYS CONSISTENT.>>AND WE’RE GOING TO BE COMING
BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS ELECTION ABOUT
RELOCKSING LOCATE — RELOCATING INTO THE NEW SCHOOL. THE OLD SCHOOL, THE NAME CHANGED
AND WE PUT OUT NOTICES TO THE 3,047 VOTERS BEFORE THE ELECTION
TO REMIND THEM IT WAS STILL IN THE BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING
HAD A NEW NAME. SO JUST REMINDING THEM WRR TO GO
ON ELECTION DAY SO WE DIDN’T DISENFRANCHISE ANYBODY FROM
SHOWING UP AND WE POSTED SIGNS AT THE NEW SCHOOL LETTING THEM
KNOW, PLEASE GO BACK TO THE OLD SCHOOL. OF COURSE, THE DOORS WOULD HAVE
BEEN LOCATIONs LOCKED BECAUSE THE KIDS WERE OUT, BUT WE’VE
BEEN WORKING A LOT WITH MOCK ELECTIONS WITH THE SCHOOLS. WE WENT TO ANOTHER SCHOOL,
NORFOLK CHRISTIAN, VOTED 2nd THROUGH 5th GRADE, PASSED OUT
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS FOR THE ADULTS SO THEY COULD LEARN
WHAT WAS ON THE BALLOT. WE ALSO WORKED AS ELECTION PAGES
THIS TIME. THEY WERE WORK IS AS OFFICERS OF
ELECTIONS. WE HAD A COUPLE OF FOREIGN
EXCHANGE STUDENTS PARTICIPATING AT TCC. THEY COULD DO EVERYTHING OTHER
THAN HANDLE THE BALLOTS BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER UNDER AGE OR
FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENTS, BUT THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE
PROCESS AND WE’RE HOPING TO INTRODUCE MORE OF THOSE GOING
FORWARD. THAT’S A GREAT UNTAPPED
POTENTIAL. THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY AND
THEY’RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR
CITIZENS THAT ARE VOLUNTEER, OUR ALL AGING, SO WE NEED TO GET
MORE YOUTH INVOLVED. SO WE’RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT
THAT.>>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.>>SINCE I’VE BEEN SITTING AT
THIS TABLE, WE’VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW THAT TOY
WHERE YOU GET ONE THING DOWN AND IT GOES DOWN AND ANOTHER ONE
POPS UP AND THEN YOU PUT THAT DOWN AND THE OTHER GOES RIGHT
BACK UP. THAT WOULD BE SPEEDING ISSUES IN
OUR CITY. I THINK EVERY ONE OF US, I KNOW,
HAS BROUGHT UP PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE SPEEDING. I MEAN, I’M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT
HAMPTON BOULEVARD, WE CAN TALK ABOUT JAMESTOWN CRESCENT. OUR LAST MEETING, A WOMAN CAME
UP TALKING ABOUT SPEEDING AROUND NORFOLK STATE, AND, YOU KNOW,
THE POLICE TO THEIR CREDIT DOES GREAT THINGS TO RESPOND. THEY BRING OUT THE SIGNS TO TELL
YOU THAT YOU’RE GOING TOO FAST AND THEY INCREASE SURVEILLANCE
AND THEN THAT WORKS AND THEN THE OTHER ONE POPS UP.
AND I JUST WONDER IF INSTEAD OF TRYING TO JUST KEEP PUTTING
BAND-AIDS ON SOMETHING, I MEAN, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT
NOBODY SPEEDS IN EMPORIA. WHEN YOU’RE ON YOUR WAY TO
EMPORIA, NOBODY SPEEDS AND ANYBODY THAT DOES, DESERVES
THEIR TICKET. BECAUSE IT’S KNOWN FOR A PLACE
THAT GIVES TICKETS.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>SO THERE’S GOT TO BE
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS CITY. THIS IS A CONCERN FOR OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS. WE’VE HAD CONCERNS AROUND SCHOOL
ZONES. IT’S REALLY A DETRIMENT, I
THINK, TO OUR CITY, AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. WHETHER IT’S — WHAT IF WE SAID
A SPEEDING TICKET COST $500? I KNOW THAT’S BEING — BUT
MAYBE –>>THEY HAD ABUSIVE FEES AT ONE
POINT, DIDN’T THEY, IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY?>>I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING WE
CAN DO TO BE KNOWN AS EMPORIA OF THE WEST?>>SINCE I’VE BEEN SITTING
HERE –>>WE WERE TOGETHER.>>YEAH, I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS
FOR THE LONGEST TIME AND I IMAGINE WE PROBABLY NEED TO
CREATE A VIGOROUS TRAFFIC DIVISION. ONE TIME THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
GAVE OUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TICKETS AND THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT
WROTE AN ARTICLE SAYING NORFOLK HAD A QUOTA OF GIVING TICKET
TOP — TICKETS, BUT I COULD — YOU KNOW, I’M LIKE YOU. WHEN YOU’RE GOING THROUGH
EMPORIA TO GET A 95, YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS A
YOUNGSTER, THE SAME THING ABOUT SOUTH NORFOLK. YOU KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE
SPEED CONTROL AND I’M WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE FOR NORFOLK TO BE
RECOGNIZED AS AN AREA THAT YOU HAVE TO REDUCE SPEED. ONE TIME IF YOU WENT DOWN AZALEA
GARDEN ROAD, CHESAPEAKE BOULEVARD, THERE WERE TWO MAIN
STREETS YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO GET A TICKET. MR. MANAGER, I DON’T KNOW WHAT
WISDOM YOU CAN LEAVE WITH THE INTERIM OR THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD
COST US TO HAVE A FULL TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, DIVISION, BUT DON’T AS
I SAID IN THE PAST AND DR. WHIBLEY, EXCUSE ME, I DON’T WANT
TO STEP ON YOUR –>>NO, THAT’S —
>>SOME OF THE BIGGEST OFFENDERS, SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS
AND CITY EMPLOYEES DRIVING OUR TRUCKS. AND THAT’S DANGEROUS.>>YOU PUT GPS ON THOSE BUSES,
YOU KNOW HOW FAST THEY’RE GOING.>>BUT I’M — I SUPPORT DR. WHIBLEY 100%.>>AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE
SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, YEAH. I MEAN, BERNARD, ARE YOU AWARE
OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO?>>I KNOW THAT WHAT EMPORIA AND
WAKEFIELD DO IS JUST HEIGHTENED ENFORCEMENT. NEWPORT HAS A SIMILAR PROGRAM. YOU GET A TWO-LANE BOTTLENECK
AND HIT THE FOUR-LANE AND THERE’S A POLICE OFFICER, A
STATE TROOPER WAITING FOR YOU.>>WELL, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS
RIGHT NOW THAT ARE CONSIDERING HIRING THEIR OWN SECURITY
BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE PROPER ENFORCEMENT OR WHAT THEY
PERCEIVE AS ADEQUATE ENFORCEMENT FOR CRIME. SO I DON’T THINK WE CAN MAKE THE
ARGUMENT THAT WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE, MORE
POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE FOR ENFORCEMENT UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE
SOME MAGIC IDEA ON THAT.>>LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON
WHETHER WE CAN INCREASE BEYOND WHAT THE — WHAT IS CURRENTLY
BEING CHARGED FOR A CONVICTION.>>IS THAT A STATE MANDATE THEN?>>LET ME CHECK TO SEE WHETHER
THERE’S NOT ANYTHING UNDER OUR CHARTER OR ANY FLEXIBILITY.>>IF IT’S THE WILL OF THE
COUNCIL, NEXT WEEK WE’LL BRING IN MIKE AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT
WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE WILL BE DATA DRIVEN
AND WE’LL COME BACK WITH WHAT CAN BE A SOLUTION FOR THE ISSUE
THAT’S AT HAND.>>HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST PUT UP
SIGNS THAT SAY AIRCRAFT MONITORING. THEN YOU ACTUALLY GET A TICKET
IN THE MAIL.>>WHAT IF A COUPLE PEOPLE GET A
TICKET IN A MAIL –>>FROM AN AIRCRAFT?>>ALL RIGHT, SO —
>>I’LL WAIT FOR NEXT TIME.>>TOMMY, IS YOUR INTERPRETER
GOING TO BE ANGELIA? YOU’RE GOOD? OKAY. ANGELIA.>>TWO THING. WELL, ACTUALLY ONE.
AND JAMES HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS. I DON’T KNOW, I DON’T SEE JAMES. BUT — HE’S BACK THERE.>>OKAY. WITH THE TREE OVER IN PARK PLACE
AND THE PARKING ON THAT STREET, I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. I KNOW THE STREET SWEEPING
REQUIREMENT AND I GET THAT PART OF IT, BUT THERE’S A MIXED USE
BUILDING WHERE THE COFFEE SHOP IS ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND
APARTMENTS ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE STREET SWEEPING
PIECE I GET, BUT THE PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE
PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY STOP TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE AND THEY
COME BACK AND THEY HAVE A TICKET ON THEIR CAR AND WE NEED TO FIX
THAT AREA.>>WE’LL WORK WITH THAT
DEPARTMENT.>>AT LEAST DURING THE DAYTIME
HOURS OR DURING BUSINESS HOURS. I GET THAT IT’S HEAVILY
RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE’S A BUSINESS THERE AND THEIR
BUSINESS IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT’S NOT JUST WALK-IN PEOPLE
FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT’S FOLKS DRIVING AND WHAT NOT.
AND SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE IT IF WE COULD RESOLVE —
>>WE’LL WORK WITH PARKING ON IT.>>OKAY. SO THAT — BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE
BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND HIS CUSTOMERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE
HAPPY IF THEY GET TICKETS. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>>ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN WHEN YOU BRING MIKE
BACK NEXT WEEK FOR TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE
ON THE… THE HIGH-SPEED CHASE, WHAT WAS
THE –>>OKAY.>>I KNOW MR. RIDDICK BROUGHT
THAT UP SEVERAL TIMES.>>OKAY. MS. JOHNSON.>>I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK
YOU, ALTHOUGH MIKE AND CHIEF BOONE AND CHIEF GOLDSMITH ARE
NOT HERE THIS EVENING. LAST NIGHT I ATTENDED WELLINGTON
OAKS CIVIC LEAGUE AND I GOT LOST, ALTHOUGH I KNOW WHERE THE
BUILDING IS, I STILL GOT LOST. AND THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS IN
THE COMMUNITY, AND SO I FLICKERED MY LIGHTS AND PUT MY
HANDS UP TO TELL THEM TO STOP AND THEY DID, AND THEY PROCEEDED
TO GIVE ME DIRECTIONS. BUT WHAT THEY DID MOSTLY WAS
THEY GOT IN FRONT OF ME AND THEY TOOK ME DIRECTLY TO THE CENTER
TO HELP ME GET WHERE I NEEDED TO BE, AND THAT MEANT A GREAT DEAL
TO ME. IT SHOWED THAT THEY JUST WANTED
TO HELP A LOST PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO
THEM. AND ALSO TO TEAM NORFOLK FOR
ACCOMPANYING ME TO THE CIVIC LEAGUE. WE GOT A LOT OF WORK DONE
WORKING WITH WELLINGTON OAKS. SO THANK YOU.>>MS. McCLELLAN.>>I HAVE THREE THINGS. THE FIRST IS SOMETHING DISCUSSED
DURING THE ELECTION, OUR MUNICIPAL ELECTION IN MAY, AND
I’D LIKE TO BRING UP AGAIN. I WANTED TO INQUIRE WITH REGARDS
TO NORFOLK’S HIRING POLICY, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN INCLUDE A
NONDISCRIMINATION CLAUSE FOR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
IDENTITY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO
COME TO COUNCIL OR A CODE ISSUE OR — I DON’T THINK THAT
CURRENTLY EXISTS, BUT IT’S SOMETHING I’D LIKE TO LOOK INTO
AND SEE IF THAT’S SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE —
>>YES, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AND EXISTS AND I LEFT YOU
A COPY OF A CURRENT ONE.>>OKAY.>>AS YOU WALKED IN TODAY. BUT THAT’S — IT DOES NOT
INCLUDE GENDER IDENTIFICATION AND MAYBE CAN BE UPDATED —
DEFINITELY CAN BE UPDATED, SO JACK CLOUD IS WORKING WITH H.R.
AND IT’S WITHIN THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, CITY COUNCIL
AUTHORITY TO REGULATE IN THAT AREA FOR ITS OWN HIRES AND
STARTS TO LESSEN THE FURTHER YOU GET AWAY FROM CITY HALL.>>NUMBER TWO WAS ANOTHER ITEM
AND SORT OF BRINGING IT BACK UP, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. ONE WAS THE STATUS OF ELECTRONIC
VOTING. WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT IT
AND I’M CURIOUS WHAT THE FINDINGS WERE IN TERMS OF THE
COST AND ETCETERA, SO MAYBE IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE A
GENERAL INTEREST, AND ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL, STATUS OF
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BROADCAST THE
ENTIRETY OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING, INCLUDING THE NON-AGENDA ITEMS. BRING THAT BACK UP. I’M IN FAVOR OF THAT. SO I DON’T KNOW WHAT — HOW WE
PROCEED WITH THAT. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT IS A
COUNCIL ISSUE, A CITY MANAGER ISSUE, A — BUT…>>ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
DECEMBER 1st?>>WHAT WAS YOUR THIRD ONE?>>THE THIRD ONE, MARCUS’S
FAVORITE, JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT AT SOME POINT WE, BELIEVE
IT OR NOT, NEED TO ADDRESS DOG PARK POLICY AND A REVIEW OF THAT
AS WELL. THERE IS A POLICY.>>THERE IS A POLICY.>>AND I THINK IT’S — I THINK
IT’S A GOOD START, BUT BASED ON RECENT ACTIVITY, I THINK IT
MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONSIDER ANOTHER APPROACH.>>MR. THOMAS.>>THANK YOU. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE
COUNCIL THAT WE CONSIDER A CONSENT AGENCY FOR SPECIAL
EXCEPTIONS THAT COME UP FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT
RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THAT THEY BE PLACED ON A CONSENT AGENDA. OF COURSE, THEY CAN BE TAKEN OFF
A CONSENT AGENDA BY ANYBODY WHO’S INTERESTED ON COUNCIL AND
IF ANYONE SIGNS UP TO SPEAK AGAINST IT, IT CAN CERTAINLY
COME OFF. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>>BACK OF THE ROOM ALL MEETING LONG.>>WE CAN DO THAT?>>I RECOMMEND A CONSENT AGENDA
FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL AND ALSO FOR THE TAX REBATE THAT
WE TEND TO DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF.>>YEAH, WE COLLECT THEM ALL IN
ONE.>>AND THEN I WOULD AGREE WITH
THE REQUEST THAT OUR EMPLOYMENT POLICY ON NONDISCRIMINATION BE
UPDATED TO INCLUDE SEXUAL ORIENTATION.>>THANK YOU.>>MRS. GRAVES.>>I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING. [ CELL PHONE MUSIC ]
>>I LIKE IT! THAT’S AWESOME.>>I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I
KNOW A LOT OF US GO AROUND TO DIFFERENT CIVIC LEAGUES AND
EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND JUST IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT
ELECTIONS AND ALL OF THE UNREST, I THINK THAT IT’S JUST VERY
INCUMBENT UPON US AS LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROMOTING AN ATMOSPHERE OF
PEACE, OF ACCEPTANCE, OF MUTUAL RESPECT IN MEETINGS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT WHEN WE’RE DEALING WITH CONSTITUENTS AND REGARDLESS
OF WHAT OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS ARE ABOUT THE ELECTION
OR THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, THAT WE JUST DON’T PLAY INTO
PEOPLE’S FEARS, AND THAT GOES FOR, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE
ADMINISTRATION TRICKLING DOWN TO STAFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF
INCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE AT SCHOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT
WITH CHILDREN AND SO I THINK THAT AS THE LEADERSHIP OF THE
CITY, WE NEED TO JUST BE AWARE THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PROMOTE AND FOSTER AN ENVIRONMENT THAT
IS RESPECTFUL AND THAT IS KIND. YOU KNOW, MAKE AMERICA KIND
AGAIN, YOU KNOW? I THINK WE CAN BRING THAT TO THE
TABLE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND JUST ASSURE THEM THAT, YOU
KNOW, AS THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEIR LEADERS, THEIR
WHOMEVER, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE GOING TO WORK IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE ENTIRE CITY AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE DIVIDED.>>YES.>>I AGREE.>>KUMBAYA.>>IN CLERK.>>MOVE THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL
ASSEMBLY IN CLOSED MEETING ON NOVEMBER 15th, 2016, FOR THE
PURPOSES SET OUT IN CLAUSE ONE AND SEVEN, SUBSECTION 2.2-3711
FOR DISCUSSION OF CANDIDATES OF CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND
AUTHORITIES AND TO RECEIVE LEGAL COUNSEL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY
REGARDING LITIGATION. MRS. GRAVES.>>AYE.>>MS. JOHNSON.>>AYE.>>MS. McCLELLAN.>>AYE.>>MR. RIDDICK.>>AYE.>>MR. SMIGIEL.>>AYE.>>MR. THOMAS.>>AYE.>>DR. WHIBLEY.>>AYE.>>MR. ALEXANDER.>>AYE.